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]]> by: Amber Simmons http://breathlessnoon.com/2006/11/15/introduction-to-css-epistemology/#comment-1234 Sat, 09 Dec 2006 15:15:46 +0000 http://breathlessnoon.com/2006/11/15/introduction-to-css-epistemology/#comment-1234 Hi Eric, Fancy finding you here! I just wanted to clarify a point: I'm a philosopher at heart. I'm rarely as interested in the "how" as I am the "why" or the underlying theory. In the case of CSS, I couldn't agree more that in its current stage it is a bit clunky; it lacks a certain finesse that I can only hope it will develop over time. (I recall at the ALA conference your explaining how to position something and needing to make a negative adjustment and how you said it would be so much easier if CSS were more like a programming language, which it will never be. And I remember feeling a wistful stab, because that would be totally stellar!) But what I'm really seeing and what I'm really talking about is the elegance of the theory of CSS; the idea that we can separate content from presentation in meaningful ways. The idea that we don't have to rely (completely) on someone's else's vision of how a document should look or behave based solely on the elements that appear within it. Like you said, a table header is still a table header no matter how you style is or where you position it. And I think that's all quite poignant, and I think it's something that designers and developers will come to appreciate even more in time. We're still in such an infantile state with the web. In many ways, we haven't yet figured out what we're doing here. I know I haven't. Anyway, yes, I will be teaching my friend the "right" way of CSS; I don't think I could bear to do otherwise. She's definitely a table-designer, and it's going to take some brain re-wiring, but once she comes over to the light side... Thanks for the comment, Eric. Made my day :) Hi Eric,

Fancy finding you here! I just wanted to clarify a point: I’m a philosopher at heart. I’m rarely as interested in the “how” as I am the “why” or the underlying theory. In the case of CSS, I couldn’t agree more that in its current stage it is a bit clunky; it lacks a certain finesse that I can only hope it will develop over time. (I recall at the ALA conference your explaining how to position something and needing to make a negative adjustment and how you said it would be so much easier if CSS were more like a programming language, which it will never be. And I remember feeling a wistful stab, because that would be totally stellar!)

But what I’m really seeing and what I’m really talking about is the elegance of the theory of CSS; the idea that we can separate content from presentation in meaningful ways. The idea that we don’t have to rely (completely) on someone’s else’s vision of how a document should look or behave based solely on the elements that appear within it. Like you said, a table header is still a table header no matter how you style is or where you position it. And I think that’s all quite poignant, and I think it’s something that designers and developers will come to appreciate even more in time. We’re still in such an infantile state with the web. In many ways, we haven’t yet figured out what we’re doing here. I know I haven’t.

Anyway, yes, I will be teaching my friend the “right” way of CSS; I don’t think I could bear to do otherwise. She’s definitely a table-designer, and it’s going to take some brain re-wiring, but once she comes over to the light side…

Thanks for the comment, Eric. Made my day :)

]]> by: Eric Meyer http://breathlessnoon.com/2006/11/15/introduction-to-css-epistemology/#comment-1154 Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:46:06 +0000 http://breathlessnoon.com/2006/11/15/introduction-to-css-epistemology/#comment-1154 Not that you asked for my advice, but I'll inflict it on you anyway: go with your scholar's gut instinct and teach her the elegant side. If she's used to table-driven layout, there will be an adjustment period, and it might be rough. But she'll be so much better off because she'll have you to help her. If she's never done table design, then she may not feel CSS is as elegant as you or I might. Really, in some ways, CSS isn't very elegant at all---it's just better than the historical alternatives. Of course I have hopes that, over time, it will become more elegant. The possibility is there. I'll be very interested to read your thoughts on design epistemology! It's a subject that is sore in need of exploration. Not that you asked for my advice, but I’ll inflict it on you anyway: go with your scholar’s gut instinct and teach her the elegant side. If she’s used to table-driven layout, there will be an adjustment period, and it might be rough. But she’ll be so much better off because she’ll have you to help her.

If she’s never done table design, then she may not feel CSS is as elegant as you or I might. Really, in some ways, CSS isn’t very elegant at all—it’s just better than the historical alternatives. Of course I have hopes that, over time, it will become more elegant. The possibility is there.

I’ll be very interested to read your thoughts on design epistemology! It’s a subject that is sore in need of exploration.

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