Comments on: Law, the Bible, and High School Kids http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/ Religion, Philosophy, Life Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:21:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: faith http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-20659 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:43:50 +0000 http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-20659 What is your problem? This country's youth need to know that there is a God out there that loves them. They need to know the truth to be able to go to heaven that Jesus died on a cross for our sins(everyone has sinned), we need to ask for forgivenness, and except Jesus into our hearts and ask Him to be our savior. For Jesus is the way the truth and the light and no one can get to the Father without Him. The Bible and classes about the Bible should be taught in schools because it is the truth, and they teach all the other junk in schools like evolution. Why not creation? This law should be passed forward. What is your problem? This country’s youth need to know that there is a God out there that loves them. They need to know the truth to be able to go to heaven that Jesus died on a cross for our sins(everyone has sinned), we need to ask for forgivenness, and except Jesus into our hearts and ask Him to be our savior. For Jesus is the way the truth and the light and no one can get to the Father without Him. The Bible and classes about the Bible should be taught in schools because it is the truth, and they teach all the other junk in schools like evolution. Why not creation? This law should be passed forward.

]]> by: david http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-17371 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:47:20 +0000 http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-17371 What the hell man, excuse me for my language but that a load of bull in my opinion. The Ten commandment law though shall not kill should be interpreted though shalt not murder in other words don't kill cold bloodedly. Second if the right interpretation is taught of the bible it would be an immense moral tool. if you read the bible it does say that homosexuality is a sin yes, but it also says that we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. that we should accept everyone because we all sin and no sin is any greater than the other. As for the electives we have been teaching anti bible for so long in our school system with no other choice why not have just one probible course in the system. Even at the expensive of one of the other electives. No i will say that i am a christian i and don't live in texas i live in colorado, but i think that this law schould go forward. What the hell man, excuse me for my language but that a load of bull in my opinion. The Ten commandment law though shall not kill should be interpreted though shalt not murder in other words don’t kill cold bloodedly. Second if the right interpretation is taught of the bible it would be an immense moral tool. if you read the bible it does say that homosexuality is a sin yes, but it also says that we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. that we should accept everyone because we all sin and no sin is any greater than the other. As for the electives we have been teaching anti bible for so long in our school system with no other choice why not have just one probible course in the system. Even at the expensive of one of the other electives. No i will say that i am a christian i and don’t live in texas i live in colorado, but i think that this law schould go forward.

]]> by: Amber Simmons http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7963 Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:41:02 +0000 http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7963 I don't disagree with you. Your point is very well made. I know precious little about "the legal system", but I would agree that it isn't based on Biblical morals. I do think, however, that American morals are founded in Biblical morals, and that American laws are founded in our morals (more or less, sometimes less than i'd like)...you know where I"m headed with this. Where law relates to morals and cultural values and ethics, law in America relates to the Bible. I don’t disagree with you. Your point is very well made. I know precious little about “the legal system”, but I would agree that it isn’t based on Biblical morals. I do think, however, that American morals are founded in Biblical morals, and that American laws are founded in our morals (more or less, sometimes less than i’d like)…you know where I”m headed with this. Where law relates to morals and cultural values and ethics, law in America relates to the Bible.

]]> by: Kullervo http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7890 Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:50:17 +0000 http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7890 I've got to say, I see the Bible as having astoundingly little to do with our legal system. If it contributed at all, it was in a way that is so attenuated, it's not much more than a footnote. Prohibitions against killing and stealing are fairly universal. Sure, Christianity has influenced norms which have then helped Americans decide what laws to pass in some limited instances, but that has very little to do with "the legal system" or "how laws are made." That has a lot more to do with politics and policy than the legal system. I'm no legal expert, mind you, but I am a law student. And the suggestion that the Bible or the Abrahamic tradition is even close to being directly linked to our legal system strikes me as a joke at best, most probably simple lay ignorance, and counterfactual religious ethnocentrism at worst. Don't confuse the Constitution with Our Legal System. And even if you do, there's very little in the Constitution that has any kind of Biblical source or parallel. Also don't confuse laws with Our Legal System. In any case, I doubt very much that a high school will have a teacher who is qualified to teach something as specialized as the interplay (if indeed there is any) between the Bible and the Anglo-American legal tradition. I’ve got to say, I see the Bible as having astoundingly little to do with our legal system. If it contributed at all, it was in a way that is so attenuated, it’s not much more than a footnote.

Prohibitions against killing and stealing are fairly universal. Sure, Christianity has influenced norms which have then helped Americans decide what laws to pass in some limited instances, but that has very little to do with “the legal system” or “how laws are made.” That has a lot more to do with politics and policy than the legal system.

I’m no legal expert, mind you, but I am a law student. And the suggestion that the Bible or the Abrahamic tradition is even close to being directly linked to our legal system strikes me as a joke at best, most probably simple lay ignorance, and counterfactual religious ethnocentrism at worst.

Don’t confuse the Constitution with Our Legal System. And even if you do, there’s very little in the Constitution that has any kind of Biblical source or parallel.

Also don’t confuse laws with Our Legal System.

In any case, I doubt very much that a high school will have a teacher who is qualified to teach something as specialized as the interplay (if indeed there is any) between the Bible and the Anglo-American legal tradition.

]]> by: Amber Simmons http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7597 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:45:23 +0000 http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7597 Wow, thank you very much :) Wow, thank you very much :)

]]> by: Vajra http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7537 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:09:06 +0000 http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7537 This is off topic, but I love the look of your blog. It's really beautiful. This is off topic, but I love the look of your blog. It’s really beautiful.

]]> by: Amber Simmons http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7183 Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:32:00 +0000 http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7183 Regardless of what religion our founding fathers were, or on what doctrines of examples our legal system was originally based, I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that Abrahamic ethics and norms don't heavily influence the way laws are made today. I absolutely think there is validity in studying the Bible against the US legal system; I just can't approve of it in this way, in this venue, at this time. Regardless of what religion our founding fathers were, or on what doctrines of examples our legal system was originally based, I think you’d be hard pressed to argue that Abrahamic ethics and norms don’t heavily influence the way laws are made today. I absolutely think there is validity in studying the Bible against the US legal system; I just can’t approve of it in this way, in this venue, at this time.

]]> by: Shannon http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7181 Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:28:18 +0000 http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7181 Did anyone on that show mention that our legal system is based on English Common Law which is based on Viking law, not Christianity? There's this delusion in the US that the country's founders were devout Christians. The writings they left behind prove otherwise. James Madison, who architected the separation of church and state, was an aetheist. Jefferson was a diest who denied the divinity of Jesus -- going so far as to make his own version of the Bible with all the supernatural stuff removed. And if that's not enough, they should read <a href="http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/barbary/bar1796t.htm#art11" rel="nofollow">Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli</a> to clarify the matter: "...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion..." Did anyone on that show mention that our legal system is based on English Common Law which is based on Viking law, not Christianity? There’s this delusion in the US that the country’s founders were devout Christians. The writings they left behind prove otherwise. James Madison, who architected the separation of church and state, was an aetheist. Jefferson was a diest who denied the divinity of Jesus — going so far as to make his own version of the Bible with all the supernatural stuff removed.

And if that’s not enough, they should read Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli to clarify the matter: “…the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion…”

]]> by: Pistol Pete http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7161 Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:46:17 +0000 http://breathlessnoon.com/2007/04/05/law-the-bible-and-high-school-kids/#comment-7161 Usually, I make comments just to shamelessly plug my latest post (like the upcoming controversial exhibit in "Art for Christ's Sake" on my blog - "Necessary Therapy".) In this case, I actually read your article and will briefly respond. Schools should be encouraged to teach the Bible "in" Literature, not the Bible "as" literature. They would not use the Bible as the primary text, but only examine how it is used in other historical documents. This exposes them to a key part of our culture and prevents revisionist history. Usually, I make comments just to shamelessly plug my latest post (like the upcoming controversial exhibit in “Art for Christ’s Sake” on my blog - “Necessary Therapy”.) In this case, I actually read your article and will briefly respond.

Schools should be encouraged to teach the Bible “in” Literature, not the Bible “as” literature. They would not use the Bible as the primary text, but only examine how it is used in other historical documents. This exposes them to a key part of our culture and prevents revisionist history.

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